20,000 political activists to move to state in 2015-2016?

Bill Tucker flagged this over on MiscellanyBlue.  The Free Staters are agressively trying to hit their 20,000 “mover” mark in 2014, which would trigger them all to lemming into New Hampshire.  They have almost 14,000 people pledged to move here now.  I'm sure there are probably some in the 20,000 who won't move when the the time comes, but even so – imagine if just half, 10,000, move here in the next few years, some with families. 

For a somewhat skewed, 10-year-old view of their democraphics, take a look that this study of the folks who voted on which state to drop in on, in 2006.

How many State Reps would that mean?  I expect most of these folks will vote, and they'll tend to cluster for mutual support in certain communities – usually ones like Manchester with good social services (?!!).  In 2018, will we elect another house like the one we just got rid of?  We have a FreeStater representing our ward, a self-described anarchist.  Folks didn't know what they were voting for.

I'm sure it all seems very visionary to them, but I've never thought of invasion as being a very democratic strategy.  I wish there was some way to repel these people.  Maybe some Abenakis have some ideas – they've been through this once already.

I think that by and large, the Democratic leadership in New Hampshire is unconcerned, falsely guided by their long experience – which includes no event like this in our history.  The closest thing to it was the slow migration of tax avoiders from Massachusetts – but that's hardly comparable.


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  • TimothyHorrigan

    Here is an inspirational song for those thinking of moving to another state.  New Hampshire is not the only small state where a person can dream big dreams…

    • TimothyHorrigan

  • The Money Magician

    at least from a Free-Stater’s perspective.  The larvae of this beetle discourage predators by covering themselves with their own poop.

    In our case, I was thinking we’d pass some broad-base taxes, outlaw open-carry, and generally make ourselves “disgusting”, from their perspective. Maybe they’d reconsider Idaho.

  • tchair

    A libertarian is an Anarchist that is too lazy or too scared to move to Somilia

  • cyndychase

    In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today.  There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal.  In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right.  What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave.  One way is to pass measures that will restrict the “freedoms” that they think they will find here.  Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming.  They can not put their ideology into our statutes unless we elect them in great enough numbers to take over our General Court.  We have already seen them try during the last session of the General Court.  Our last election was a repudiation of their extremism.  

    Here in Keene we had a couple show up on Central Square to take part in our weekly Saturday morning peace demonstration. In the course of the conversation they allowed that they were Free Staters considering moving to Keene. The folks on the Square told them in no uncertain terms not to do that because Free Staters are not welcome here.  Cheshire County is a welcoming community but not to those whose stated goal is to move in enough ideologues to steal our state, and our way of life.  

    Ultimately the Free Staters want NH to be a platform state for them to export their views to the rest of the country.  Some of these folks dress up pretty well, but if you check their website you will find that they are really wolves in sheep’s clothing.  The best strategy from my perspective is to keep shining a light on their views and activities and make it very plain that NH is not up for sale to any ideology.  To ignore these people and hope they go away is a recipe for disaster.

    • Lucy Edwards

      had a young man from Texas contact her to rent a room she had available.  She got in touch with me to ask what to do when he told her he was coming to NH as part of the Free State Project. Here’s what she decided to tell him: “I told him that I already rented the room, and that I didn’t appreciate him coming here to change our state government, it was an insult to me. That if he wanted to make change to start self examining his own life in a mindful way and stay in Texas to make the changes he wants not come here. And not contact me again.”

      I like the idea of being very open with these people that we don’t want them here if all they want to do is change our government to suit themselves.  And I think we better all keep our eyes and ears open, because obviously the campaign to invade NH is heating up.  

    • victoriap

      Thank you Cyndy. I hope it’s become really clear now to Democrats and moderate Republicans that the Free State Project had a lot to do with the political extremism in NH over the past two years, and on a much more fundamental level philosophically and organizationally than the Tea Party did.

      It’s tempting for people to think that with Democrats in power now, FSP extremism has been repudiated. But FSP candidates did relatively well in the November elections. And their abhorrence of Democrats being in power again is fueling current organizational efforts to get those 20,000 people here, when they believe they will be home free.

      Your last paragraph said it best. We all need to shine the light, in whatever ways we can. And we need to be prepared for an ongoing debate on the soul of New Hampshire  

       

  • BobRobertson

    This invasion has got to stop.

    The “residency” requirement for voting did not go far enough. There needs to be a birth-certificate requirement for both voting and running for office.

    How dare those carpetbaggers come here and try to change things.

  • Aahz

    I recently moved my family to New Hampshire to enjoy the slower pace and general friendliness that The Live Free or Die State has to offer.  It didn’t hurt that both unemployment and cost of living are amongst the lowest in the US.  So far I can only say it’s the best thing I’ve ever done for both me and my family.  I finally feel both at home and at peace!

    Looking over the demographics linked above, they seem to represent a fairly standard cross section of America (other than the gender disparity which I find a bit odd).

    I looked at the Free State Project homepage and saw the following:
    Do you want to live in strong communities where your rights are respected, and people exercise responsibility for themselves and in their dealings with each other?
    I can only answer with a resounding YES!

    One of the primary reasons I was looking to leave California was the complete lack of community or neighborliness and the near absence of even common courtesy amongst the strangers I would encounter on a daily basis.  I didn’t want my daughter to grow up believing that lending a helping hand to those in need is a fool’s errand.  I want her to grow to be a caring, kind and generous adult – just like the vast majority of New Hampshirites (both Free Staters and Non-Free Staters) we’ve encountered since arriving in our new home.

    So what, exactly is it we’re supposed to be so afraid of?

    • xteeth

      That those are the very things that they will eliminate if they are able to take over the state. As for your other dreams particularly the demographics, there is little if anything typical about this state. Income, income distribution, race, amount spent on education, seat belts, helmets, sure clear distance, church attendance. Not typical at all unless you are a free stater. All those stories that we heard before we moved here about tight communities seem only to refer to little bands of similars and have nothing whatsoever to do with community building whose goal is inclusion not breaking off into cult like divisions.  

      • Aahz

        I’ve found several tight-knit communities since arriving six months ago: a local theater community, a poetry community, my daughter attends a weekly LGBT teen group, fandom groups, and more.  Heck, we didn’t know a single person in New Hampshire when we arrived and had a Jack-O-Lantern carving party attended by over a dozen people without a single guest having known more than one other person (us excluded, of course) before it began.

        Maybe it’s just Manchester, but it seems to me like community is everywhere I turn.

        • xteeth

          There is a vast difference between community and tribalism.

          • Aahz

            Would you care to elaborate?

          • TimothyHorrigan

            They have all those things in California, too.  California is, by the way, not all that unfriendly a place, even though is badly governed and has too many people for its water supply.

            • Aahz

              I spent most of the last 43 years in California and saw its populace slide from “laid back sun lovers” to “gotta get mine go getters” over that time.

              Took three weeks driving cross-country for the move to NH and every state we spent time in (roughly a dozen) nearly everyone we met was friendly then the folx back in Cali.

              My second day here in NH I had a female Senior Citizen help ME take things out to my car from a store.  (She was a fellow customer, BTW, not an employee.) Upon witnessing a complete flip on the “help an old lady cross the street” I knew this was the place I wanted to be.

              • xteeth

                and find out that you are armed and think everyone else should be as well. Or maybe you will be that weird guy at the end of the dirt road. Then begins the complicated assessment of just who you will shoot and who you will defend. Who has a religion you can tolerate, whose children smell bad. Who should be allowed to live here. That everyone that moves here after you screws the place up. Then on to who you will allow your taxes to support if you feel like paying them and who will live under bridges. Then you will line up with your tribe and defend against all comers. Just like in the Middle East.

              • xteeth
        • xteeth

          You’re afraid of everyone you meet
          I don’t blame you, life’s not easy street
          Look around and see what you can see
          Don’t be down when you see you’re loving me
          Cause I’m only gonna bring you up

          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah
          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah

          You get blamed for being what you are
          Move a little and you’ve gone to far
          Look around and find a little giving
          Don’t be down, you’ll find a little livin’
          And it’s only gonna bring you up

          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah
          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah

          Not everyone is out to get you
          Love me and you see I will let you

          Look around and see what you can see
          Don’t be down when you see you’re loving me
          Cause I’m only gonna bring you up

          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah
          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah
          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah
          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah
          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah
          Don’t cry, no fears, no tears comin’ your way yeah  

    • susanthe

      you moved here as part of the FSP, and you’re visiting Blue Hampshire to play Mickey the Dunce.

      • Aahz

        …your way of avoiding answering the question, Susan?

        • susanthe

          It’s my way of welcoming you to a community that you had no interest in being part of until this story went out over the freebagger scare network. I’m sure it’s sheer coincidence that this story went up on Dec. 19, and you registered on Dec. 24, and that the only thread you’ve commented on is this one.

          You’re here to try to teach those “progs” a lesson. Good luck with that.

          • Aahz

            The front page doesn’t seem to have changed since 11/20 –

            - Threat goes unchallenged -
            Nope, nothing to say about this.  Don’t know enough about te context.  Don’t think it was a threat though.  Of course, saying that (esp. as a newbie) doesn’t really add much to the discussion, does it?

            - 20,000 political activists -
            Wow, scary article without any specifics.  Wonder what I’m supposed to be scared of?  Seems like a decent first question to ask on a new site.

            - Support Mental Health Services -
            The newest response was a week old.  And I could really add was “yes”.  Again, not typically a welcome first post.

            Everything else is older dtill.  I’ve found that posting on threads that haven’t been touched in over a week is considered bad form.  Apparently you believe asking questions is as well.

            Would still like to know what it is that’s so scary about passionate people moving here?  Are you not one of the 58% of NH’s population that has done the same thing?

            • susanthe

              discover the site, Aahz?

              And what a curious coincidence all this is – a slight uptick in FSP trolls at BH, at the EXACT same time you made your “discovery.”

              Serendipity, for sure.

            • GreyMike

              what it is that’s so scary about passionate people moving here?

              I don’t have any issue with passionate people moving here, if the purpose is to embrace the culture and resources we enjoy as well as contribute to them in equal measure.

              In other words, if people come here to ADOPT the culture that’s great. If they come to ADAPT the culture, that’s when I get up to close the barn door.

              The FSP’s stated purposes have historically been the latter.

              By the way, you stated in an earlier comment that susanthe called you a “liar and a dunce”. For the record, I saw nothing in any of her posts that accused you of lying, only of being a part of the FSP and not disclosing it.

              As to the “dunce” reference, Susan used the phrase, “playing Mickey the Dunce”, an East Coast colloquialism meaning someone feigning ignorance of a given subject (like pretending not to know what the FSP is really all about, for example).

              This phrase may not be found in the current lexicon of the West Coast, so it’s understandable that you may have taken this to mean something very different.

              For purposes of illustration, the following classic scene from the film Casablanca shows Captain Renault playing “Mickey the Dunce”:

              One more thing:

              The front page doesn’t seem to have changed since 11/20

              I believe that date is 12/20, only 4 days before you joined us. While things do tend to slow up around here just after an exhausting election cycle and during the holiday season, it’s not unusual to have FP diaries that are discussed at length for a few days, this is that kind of place.

              If you stick around, you will discover a group of very passionate thinkers who don’t shy away from discussion or disagreement in any form, but in general find common ground in progressive ideas. This is why I enjoy being a guest here, as are we all.

              • Aahz

                For actually answering my question.  And I apologize for the typo.  Of course I meant 12/20 (this article wasn’t even posted until December :) )

                I thought I had actually stated in my initial response that I am not a member of the Free State Project.  Allow me to do so clearly here: I am not a member or part of the Free State Project in any way.  As such, I do not pretend to speak for them or know their goals.

                I have, however, met many of them since moving here and found them to be as kind, giving, and tolerant as any other group of people I’ve met since moving here.  I have not heard any more about adapting NH’s culture from them as I have from anyone else, either.

                Sure, some have run for elected office with the intent of passing laws that change things.  Just as so many here have.  But I haven’t heard anything from them along the lines of trying to drive people from the state such as cyndychase’s call to remove freedoms from all New Hampshire residents just to remove some she finds undesirable.

                Now THAT I find frightening.

                • GreyMike

                  But I haven’t heard anything from them along the lines of trying to drive people from the state such as cyndychase’s call to remove freedoms from all New Hampshire residents just to remove some she finds undesirable.

                  Exactly what freedoms are you accusing Cyndy of wanting to remove from ALL residents? Nothing in what she wrote above advocated any such thing. Her point was that we have to continue to call these people out for what they are. Kindly stop putting words in people’s mouths, it’s bad form.

                  And of course your FSP associates aren’t openly talking about their long term agenda, that’s part of the plan!

                  Sleepers, and I don’t mean Woody Allen.

                  If you take the time to truly research the FSP aims for our state, they involve making minor legal “changes” over time like shutting down public education, social safety nets, law enforcement, instituting public works and infrastructure maintenance by subscription, and all sorts of other harebrained anarchy-flavored schemes.

                  We ain’t about to let that happen, period.

                  • Aahz

                    Cyndy wrote:

                    What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave.  One way is to pass measures that will restrict the “freedoms” that they think they will find here.

                    I don’t know what freedoms specifically Cyndy had in mind as she wasn’t specific.  But I am curious to know how one can restrict the freedoms of roughly 1200 residents without restricting the freedom of the rest of us.

                    Care to elaborate Cyndy?

      • GreyMike

        partner, “occupythebillofrights”  (is that bill o’ frights?), who apparently is lurking here merely to uprate the wingnut commentary without any of his own.

        Anyone migrating here with a genuine interest in learning about New Hampshire culture will find most (but not all) of us natives AND long-term residents ready and willing to help out a neighbor or stranger in need without being asked, as well as supporting the institutions and shared social responsibilities recognized by our wise forebears for the common good.

        That includes the functions of our state government as well; our ancestors didn’t purposefully establish one of the largest legislative bodies on the planet in order to dismantle government, it beggars logic to think otherwise.

        Frugal Yankees, yes. But confuse frugality with selfishness and lack of responsibility at your peril.

        Independent? Damn right. But don’t mistake that independent streak for not knowing right from wrong, or doing as we damn please with no regard or consideration for others.

        One other hint: we’re not overly fond of being told how to think or run our lives by people from away.

        Those of us who have spent quality time attached to a shovel in a cowbarn know it when we see it.

        • Aahz

          …what I was seeking and exactly what I’ve found, Mike.  Amongst 90% of the people I’ve met here in NH.

          Which still leaves me wondering what I am to fear.

    • The Money Magician

      and that you’re as naive about all this as you claim… This American Life did a great piece on what I’m afraid of – more terms like the last two years in the NH House of Representatives.  Much of the recent nuttiness isn’t specific to FSP – but those same wacko’s will vote with the FSP on any bill to eviscerate our government.  Also, I’m afraid of the gutting of public education, at the local school board level, by sleeper candidates who manage to get elected, then make it clear that they don’t believe in public education as a matter of principle.

  • susanthe

    of the Free State Project:

    Once we’ve taken over the state government, we can slash state and local budgets, which make up a sizeable proportion of the tax and regulatory burden we face every day. Furthermore, we can eliminate substantial federal interference by refusing to take highway funds and the strings attached to them. Once we’ve accomplished these things, we can bargain with the national government over reducing the role of the national government in our state. We can use the threat of secession as leverage to do this.

    As written by founder Jason Sorens, Affiliated Scholar at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. The Mercatus Center (and GMU) are heavily funded by the Koch Brothers.

    • GreyMike

      for all the ensuing disingenuous disavowals of Prof. Sorens?

      I know I’m on the edge of my seat in anticipation…(yawn)

      It’ll be like deja vu all over again.

      I’m outta here now, got better things to do – a sinkful of dishes, for one.

      Happy New Year!

    • Aahz

      …if Mr. Sorens actually lived in NH.  According to a quick Google search on his name he is currently teaching at a state-funded university in Buffalo, NY.

      Fairly obvious hyperbole and hypocrisy if you ask me.

      • susanthe

        I guess you missed the part where he is a fellow at Mercatus, funded by the Koch Brothers.

        And you’re right – he is engaging in hyperbole and hypocrisy. It’s the epitome of hypocrisy for a guy who hates all things “statist” to be taking a salary from a state funded university – a salary negotiated by a UNION.  

        • Aahz

          …are they running New Hampshire now?  

          I find it difficult to believe that someone who doesn’t live here, doesn’t vote here, and isn’t a part of the Federal government (hence having jurisdiction here) can have too much of an impact on the culture here.

      • The Money Magician
        • Aahz

          …nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party Mr. Chairman.

          • pberch

             the writer may wish to seriously revise his earlier comments:

                    I thought I had actually stated in my initial response that I am not a member of the Free State Project.  Allow me to do so clearly here: I am not a member or part of the Free State Project in any way.  As such, I do not pretend to speak for them or know their goals.

            Is this the same aahz?

                   I fully intend to become a full member of the Free State Project on Z’s 13th birthday.  That will leave both commitments running concurrently and give me a bit of hedge room while the remaining FSP members sign up.
            I have, however, become a Friend of the Free State Project, and am already working on plans for moving to New Hampshire, as a Free Stater, in the summer or fall of 2014, regardless of the number of existing Free State Project members.  So that’s my story, what’s yours?  Why haven’t you signed up yet, or why haven’t you moved?

            Could this be a different aahz?

                    But imagine if even half of those Pennsylvania Ron Paul supporters joined the Free State Project and moved to New Hampshire.  There, those 65,000 transplanted Pennsylvanians would increase the number of registered voters from 690,000 to 755,000, still leaving themselves as a solid 8% of the total registered voters in the state.  That’s essentially a contorlling voting block in and of itself, not to mention the ease of using their influence to sway others around them to their views.
            Sure, this wouldn’t effect the Presidential race directly as no single state can elect the President.  But imagine what they could do within their own state borders.  Then, imagine the propaganda effect of the slaves in the other 49 seeing video footage and news reports of genuine freedom.  That’s a revolution!

            And, glory, glory, there is even a current “aahz” on the FSP forum. Now either (a) there are 2 aahz’s with remarkably the same interests and history, (b) aahz thinks we hicks do not know how to do a GOOGLE search or (c) …… I think I go with (c).

            By the way, i just loved the stuff about aahz and his family moving here, interacting with all the natives, and “those” FSP’ers who would drop by from time to time to pass the time. Referring to himself as not a FSP er, but one of the “rest of us”.

            But then, maybe there are 2 – two 2 aahz’s running around NH, having just moved here and who are both intersted in FSP – but only one actually is one of “them”. After all, we have millions of people here and there is bound to be some duplication. Probably 5 or 6 people in my town share the same birthday as me. Nah.

            • Aahz

              …myself and my daughter.

              As for a desire to revise my earlier statement…. There is no need.  You’re quoting a post I made more than 4 years ago.  That statement was revised quite some time ago.

              You’ll note the opening of the passage you quoted: “I fully intend to become a full member of the Free State Project”.  I did intend to become one.  But decided against it when I learned more about the organization.  That’s discussed on my blog as well, BTW had you decided to actually read instead of cherry-picking an ancient post.

              In fact, if you’d bothered to read the posts I made on the FSP forum you’d see I point out I’m not a member on more than one occasion.  And why am I a member there if I’m not a Free Stater?  Same reason I’m a member here.  Seeking conversation and a more thorough understanding of New Hampshire.  I found my apartment through that forum.  There doesn’t seem to be such a resource here at Blue Hampshire.

              • pberch

                You are really not very good at this, Aahz. And you seem to think that we have no experience in Free Staters trying to pretend what they are not. You had a chance to clean the slate/start over and all you chose to do was dig yourself deeper.

                You are a “dedicated member” of the FreeKeene Shire Forum, with  a note of 80+ posts. you refer therein to the Free Staters as “our community”.

                Further – your advice to another possibe FSP mover:

                    “Testing the waters is an admirable quality.  And the folx in Keene are awesome people.  But, should they not be the right fit for you, don’t write off the FSP, The Shire, or NH as a direct result.  

                There are A LOT of liberty activists in New Hampshire, of all personalities and varying ideas on the best way to bring about freedom.  A few days in Keene will give you insight into those doing activism there, but will tell you nothing about the activists in Concord, Manchester, Nashua, or the Seacoast,  Before writing us off, be sure to take a much broader sampling.

                As your date approaches, be sure to check PorcCalendar.com as it will let you know where plenty of liberty oriented social and activism events are taking place all around the state.

                -Aahz”

                Your description of yourself on the FreeKeene Shire Forum:

                    “I’ve been an anarchist my whole life, never really understanding the whole concept of Governments.  Discovered Free Talk Live about five years ago and the Free State Project through the show.

                I’m planing on moving to New Hampshire to help the evolution towards freedom in either 2014 or 2015.  I’m a single parent and full-time stay at home homeschooling father.  But my teen daughter, Zaira, is still holding on to the faith that she can bring her mother around to be more of a parent.  So I’m stuck here in California until she’s either ready to move out on her own or gives up that hope.

                Looking forward to getting to know more Free Staters and Keeniacs in the meantime though

                -Aahz”

                Aahz – this is a progressive blog. Telling the truth and treating facts as facts are progressive values. You have spent this entire thread essentially being dishonest.   And you didn’t have to be – go read the many discussions by/with Seth Cohn .

                This isn’t my blog and I have no say as to who should be on it on who not. Speaking only for me – Free Staters like Seth Cohn don’t bother me- they have (mostly)interesting points of view. OTOH, why would anyone here want to spend any time with someone who can’t even be honest about who he is and where he is coming from?

                And, BTW, spare us the claim that you never waived your pinkie in the air and signed the secret FSP membership forms. We have heard it all before. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, flies like a duck, it likely is.  

                   Hint: As far as I am concerned, your best response is no response.  Your comments upthread speak for themselves.        

                • GreyMike

                  And Susan, of course (whose finely tuned advance-warning manure detector was in operation as usual).

                  Not wasting any more keystrokes on this thread, but I do have to chuckle a bit over the cognitive dissonance of glassy-eyed anarchists trying to organize an invasion to spread anarchy.

                  Say what?  

                  You just can’t make this stuff up, folks. Priceless.

                • SethCohn

                  Honesty is the best policy.
                  I don’t understand folks who aren’t factual and true about what they believe.  Another reason I’m currently taking a break from politics (as much as possible) – I’m tired of too many on all sides who aren’t honest.

                  • susanthe

                    in other places (on this topic) indicate the exact opposite, Pinocchio Cohn.  

                    • SethCohn

                      Oh wait, that would be untrue.  But more polite than you’ve ever been.

                    • xteeth

                      How about saying what you think? Or is that too harsh? There is destructive evil afoot and I would rather have it dealt with rather than namby pambied about. If you can’t stand the heat…….

                • Aahz

                  Yep, you caught me. I’m an anarchist and a liberty lover. Of course, I never denied or tried to hide that I was either.

                  What you haven’t proven is that I’m a Free Stater. And you can’t, because I’m not. I have tapped into that community when I’ve needed help (such as finding an apartment), but then, I’ve said that before and y’all don’t seem to care. Nor have you offered any alternative community services such as those offered by the Free Staters. I’ve also given help through that community. Again, because it’s one of the few communities with such help being offered.

                  But if y’all are done chasing me around looking to attack people who ask simple questions I’d still like to know what I am to be afraid of.

                  I’m also wondering why such a venerable BH member as Cynthis Chase is being allowed to duck clarification of her comments, despite being an elected official while y’all spend your time researching things you could have learned by simply asking.

    • BobRobertson

      Ah, Susan, you do know that Sorens is not an FSP participant, right?

      • susanthe

        You do know that Sorens FOUNDED the Free State Project?

  • frant

    What I find particularly interesting is that their stated goals would destroy the functions of state (and local) government. Since good roads, educated residents, safe working conditions, etc.  all contribute to what makes commerce work, what’s the point? Perhaps they should move to a third world country and see if that’s what they REALLY want.  

    • susanthe

      they (private interests) can do the work better. Of course, all of them moved to areas where the infrastructure is already in place. Few (if any) moved to the far northern reaches of the state.

      If they were what they claim to be, they would have bought up a big chunk of empty land somewhere (out in the middle of the country) and built their randian paradise from the ground up. Now THAT would show us.

      • BobRobertson

        You assume that if the state didn’t do X, X would not get done.

        Why? Is there some magic about roads, electric grid (isn’t that already private?) and sewage that make them impossible to build?

        The waste, fraud, and abuse of govt is so well known its a cliche. There is no way to know if the city (for example) water supply is what people want, because people have no choice but to pay for it. Sell it off, let competition drive down prices and create better service. Then I don’t have to pay for what I don’t want, and you don’t have to pay for what I want and you don’t.

        Just like shoes. Or food.  

        • susanthe

          Why bother? Seriously? I don’t come troll your website, so why come here? Do you think your churlish attitude is enticing to those of us who regard the FSP with suspicion?

  • The Money Magician

    I’m so glad Aahz jumped on this, to provide a “Who, me?” classroom demo of what we’re up against.  And many thanks to Susan and pberch, for making it crystal clear for folks (like me) who are perhaps too willing to take folks at face value.

    • Ray Buckley
    • Aahz

      You’re welcome. Now, would you care to answer the question of what is so frightening about Free Staters?

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